Steam Workshop or Nexus Mods, which should I upload to?

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Steam Workshop or Nexus Mods, which should I upload to?

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Hi folks,

We've got some veteran mod authors from other modding communities that I recognise here and we've also got some budding new comers who might not have ever done any modding before, so I'd love to share my thoughts every once in a while to see how things are going, how things are progressing and what, if anything, I can do to help. Just so you know, my name is Robin and I run Nexus Mods. I've been a part of the modding community for going on 12 years now and while I've always been crap at "arty farty" stuff (what I call graphics, texturing, animations and scripting), I've always tried to help where best I can, and that's where Nexus Mods came from.

Today I wanted to write a "quick" post about the reasons and merits of using multiple different file hosts to share your great mods with others, because right now there's a big skew towards Steam Workshop due to the easy integration with the editor and the beta access currently being Steam exclusive. I've already spoken to some of the mod authors here via Steam chat, but I wanted to get a post up about it so I can see what others have to say on the matter :)


So where should I upload my mods and dungeons to? Steam Workshop or Nexus?

The short answer is BOTH.

Steam Workshop is great because it's simple for both mod authors to upload their mods and mod users to download the mods while opening up modding to a wide install base. It's hard to go wrong with Steam Workshop and it's very mod user oriented. Unfortunately it has a massive down-side in that only people who bought the game on Steam can download and play the mods on Steam Workshop.

On the flip-side, Nexus Mods has always been about mixing the simplicity of uploading and downloading mods with the option to go wider and deeper with more tools and choices for those who want to get a bit more complex, and making it available to everyone. You can easily keep things very simple, much like Steam Workshop, or you can make use of the more extensive tools on offer. It's your choice. We don't want to treat all modders like simpletons, because we know lots of you like to do lots of different stuff with your mods. That's what modding is all about, after all. That's why, for example, we give you the option to download and install the mod through our client, the Nexus Mod Manager, or manually which provides you with the raw archive of files to do with as you please.

As far as I'm concerned mod authors are the most important part of the modding community. Without them, there is no community. That's why we've always focused the Nexus sites around making them as user friendly for mod authors first above all else. If you keep them happy, then everything else will fall in to place much easier.


A case study

From the Skyrim modding community where there's both a Skyrim Nexus and a Skyrim Workshop it's become relatively apparent how the traffic has moved within the community. Many many players and modders were already aware of the Elder Scrolls modding scene before Skyrim from Oblivion and Morrowind. Many were already aware of the Nexus where the majority of the mods on offer were available. When Skyrim Workshop came along, rather than splitting the community, it provided a new avenue of potential modders and mod players in to the community. So rather than some traffic getting redirected from the Nexus to the Workshop, the Workshop actually complimented the community by introducing modding to those originally either unaware of it, or too afraid to go to a third-party site to understand and get their mods.

As time went on, many new users who had been introduced to modding through Steam Workshop were either becoming more open to using the Nexus, or using it freely, either because they'd learnt that modding wasn't satan incarnate that was going to eat their computer whole, mods were only on the Nexus or because they couldn't be uploaded to Steam due to the 100mb file size limit, or the requirement of third part tools like Skyrim Script Extender (SKSE), which Steam Workshop doesn't support.

In essence, Skyrim Workshop became the place where people new to modding went to cut their teeth on modding before moving on to the Nexus. The two compliment each other well.

In Grimrock, things are slightly different as it's the first in the line of this game. There's no modding community that can move from an old game to this new one, so what we have here, on this official forum is the foundation of an entirely new modding community. However the Workshop and Nexus can still compliment each other well. Steam brings with it it's huge install base and community, and Nexus brings with it it's large community as well as its seasoned and veteran mod authors. It should never be about an "us or them" exclusive scenario where people only use one or the other, it should be about "us and them", making use of the merits and advantages of both to ensure this community is as open and popular as possible.


Distributor issues

One of the biggest reasons you should be uploading to both, however, is that many people who don't have the Steam version of Legend of Grimrock will not be able to play your mods if you only upload them to Steam Workshop. Steam Workshop is Steam exclusive, meaning that only people who have the game on Steam can download from it. Nexus Mods is distributor agnostic, which means that no matter where you bought your game from (including Steam) the mods on the site will always work. So if you only upload to Steam Workshop then you limit the amount of people who can download and play your mods. By uploading to both sites you are able to catch the entire Legend of Grimrock player base, rather than only a part of it.

At the time of writing the editor is currently in beta and only Steam users can currently play mods and use the editor. When the editor is out of beta and the game and mods are available to all players things will be very different. There are a lot more dungeons currently available on Steam Workshop than on Nexus Mods, however, like-for-like traffic on the mods available on both sites is extremely similar. Nexus Mods is a large network with a large following. You might think that Steam would have more traffic, but it hasn't been the case with Skyrim, and if you give it a chance, it probably won't be the case with Legends of Grimrock either.

At the end of the day it's all about choice. Choice for you, and choice for the users of your mods. Not everyone likes Steam, and not everyone likes the Nexus. So giving people the choice to use both platforms is great for everyone. I imagine that's one of the main reasons Almost Human liked the idea of working with both Steam and Nexus Mods. End-user choice :)


Extra management time?

It's true that by uploading to more than one site you are increasing the time it takes you, the mod author, to manage your mods. It means you've got to upload your mods to more than one site, and manage the pages accordingly. Personally, I don't think it should take you that much time, especially with how small the file sizes are with Grimrock dungeons right now and how easy both sites are to update your work on. We're talking a matter of minutes here and hey, by uploading to both sites you avoid those annoying comments on your mods asking you if you can upload it to the other site ;)

I completely understand if you only want to use one site or the other. But I wanted to get a thread out there about the merits of using both sites and would love to hear your feedback on the matter.
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Well said!
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With the impending release of the editor tomorrow all owners of LoG irrespective of where they bought it will be able to get their hands on the editor and play mods, as opposed to just the Steam players as it is currently. With this in mind I thought I'd kick this thread back up to the top to remind mod authors that there's a lot of LoG players who are going to want to play your mods, but can't, because you've only uploaded them to Steam Workshop.

When you get the time, perhaps you could pay Grimrock Nexus a visit and share your great work with everyone :)
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As a mod author I would clearly communicate on which platform the discussion about my mod should be held. There is no more terrible thing as to be forced to jump between platforms to gather feedback for and about your mod. So personally I would state in bold and underline that all mod discussion regarding bugs and requests should happen in place X. Mod authors already have enough on their plate so they should channel any communication as tightly as possible.

Just my two cents.
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Yup, a notable concern. That's why we allow you to disable your comments on your Nexus file pages so you can direct people to your release thread here, or Steam Workshop if necessary (though if you direct people to SW then only people with Steam will be able to actually comment and provide feedback on your work). It's an option when you're setting up your file page.
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people seem to think that anyone should be able to upload to Steam or Nexus but where are the STEP BY STEP instructions to do that?

Obviously many modders have done that but it would be helpful to have an easy guide A) to upload to Nexus and B) to upload to Steam, where is that on here? :(

the effort seems to be devoted to explaining to Dungeon Dwellers how to download mods - no one seems to be interested in helping modders to upload, there is a link from the Steam Workshop to Legend of Grimrock Official Documentation and there is not a word about uploading
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Halluinoid wrote:people seem to think that anyone should be able to upload to Steam or Nexus but where are the STEP BY STEP instructions to do that?

Obviously many modders have done that but it would be helpful to have an easy guide A) to upload to Nexus and B) to upload to Steam, where is that on here? :(

the effort seems to be devoted to explaining to Dungeon Dwellers how to download mods - no one seems to be interested in helping modders to upload, there is a link from the Steam Workshop to Legend of Grimrock Official Documentation and there is not a word about uploading
Well., for steam you should see a button right in the editor for uploading. Sadly, I forget exactly where, but I think it's called 'upload'. Also I have no clue if that exists if you don't have the steam version.
So none of this is necessarily helpful, but if I'm right that means there is an easy way for steam. For nexus, just join, don't buy anything, and pry around. Again there will be an upload button somewhere pretty open.

Before you get angry, I am aware that this is not the neat step by step guide you want.

Edit: To give a little actual help on nexus; Click user area, add file, enter the requested information (you are not actually putting your file in yet, though Ii may be rusty it's been months since I've personally uploaded). Back at your user area, click files you've uploaded. (It's a link that should now have 1 in parenthesis after it) when you see your file click "files" link on it. Now actually add your file. If it won't upload , check the size (note that should never be a problem for anything but pictures. It's quite restrictive there though).
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I cannot help on the steam front, but on the Nexus you essentially "add a mod" from the right hand column, then go to the mod you added, and select "add a file". This is so we can have 3 or 4 files to downolad for a mod. (walkthru, and source files, etc. . .). I believe with steam, you actually select the option from within the LoG editor menus "publish to steam workshop". Never done it, so I cant confirm.
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